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Post by President Abha Kawale on Nov 29, 2015 16:14:11 GMT -5
Free Peoples of the Earth,
As I am sure you all know, recently an uncivilized military organization has risen to power in the continent of South America, relying on fear to promote its reign. Our first impression was, of course, a hostile one, their aim, as far as we know, being nothing less than world domination. After the global collapse, many such criminal organizations and bands of the sort have risen to power, but we fear that this is a new kind of threat, with a strong chain of command, and the singular aim of wiping out the freedoms we have struggled to build for ourselves. Any one of us could be its next target. Already rumors on the Pakistan border have spread of SATO sympathizers hostile to the aims of our nation. I fear the worst is yet to come, and we must prepare ourselves. We must stand together, or fall alone, one by one. We must form a pact. An attack on one of us is as good as an attack on all of us, as eventually, we must all face this menace. I plead that at this time we join forces, and not provoke violence, yet pray for peace. However, if violence comes to us, we must stand UNITED. It is more than a military alliance that I hope for. Before the horrors of the war and Operation Unthinkable, there was a League of Nations. Is it too much to hope that this could be revived?
Sincerely,
President Abha Kawale
[OOC: This is a continuation of France's excellent idea stated in the Paris Convention.]
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Post by Alex on Nov 29, 2015 16:32:44 GMT -5
The citizens of the PRC as well as myself representing my great country believe that we should cooperate wholeheartedly. However, the 'League of Nations' did nothing to stop World War 2, so we'll need League Of Nations times two with other abilities like military power.
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Post by President Abha Kawale on Nov 29, 2015 16:44:03 GMT -5
The League of Nations was doomed to fail as soon as the United States withdrew. I agree, no League of Nations will work for us. No, what we need is a United Nations. We hope to begin the Delhi Convention as soon as possible, the nations invited being Ukraine, France, the PRC, the NRC, and the Indian Commonwealth. New nations may join, but these five should remain the core, and each may exercise the right of veto in the organization, so desperately needed, that I envision.
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Post by President Abha Kawale on Nov 29, 2015 16:59:43 GMT -5
If it is agreed, may we begin the convention?
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Post by Yu Krane on Nov 29, 2015 17:47:49 GMT -5
I fully agree that we should all be prepared for whatever SATO does and we should monitor their next actions. Ukraine is in full support of destroying SATO if necessary.
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Post by President Abha Kawale on Nov 30, 2015 17:52:59 GMT -5
"We welcome all to this Convention. This is a follow-through of the recent meeting in Paris, where Monsieur Peter had the fascinating idea of establishing a new League of Nations. Here, we hope to establish such an organization, come to a decision regarding the threat posed by SATO, and, once our organization is established, vote to pass an international law regarding nuclear weapons. After careful consideration, many members of our government have begun to form their doubts regarding to this law, and,, when the time comes, these will be presented. But, I digress. Now is not the time for idle chatter. Today is a day that will live long in the annals of history. Please, have a seat and voice your opinions."
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Post by peter on Nov 30, 2015 17:56:28 GMT -5
Although the representative for the French Republic, President-Elect François Georges, arrived late, the French came up with the idea, and thus it was their sovereign duty to participate in the reformation of the League of Nations, for the betterment of mankind.
The French representative arrived and quietly sat down in his assigned seat.
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Post by President Abha Kawale on Nov 30, 2015 18:04:05 GMT -5
The Indian representative heartily greets the French representative. "You had a fantastic idea, for sure! It takes a genius to think of things like this, and it is an honor to be here in this room with such a great and original mind."
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Post by peter on Nov 30, 2015 18:11:10 GMT -5
"I wouldn't call it original. It's simply inspired, if you will, by the minds which formed the League of Nations in the aftermath of the Great War. Unfortunately, the 'War to end all wars' wasn't at all so. A new war rose, and while I would like to say the Second and Third Wars were the 'wars to end all wars', with a South American terror group running rampant, I'm not so sure. Fortunately, we, the French, fought bravely to ban nuclear weapons so it is impossible for the terror group to get ahold of them. We are also preparing to burn all remains of record of the Manhattan Project."
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Post by Yu Krane on Nov 30, 2015 18:15:33 GMT -5
Ukraine will be sending a representative shortly and we should be arriving soon.
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Post by President Abha Kawale on Nov 30, 2015 18:38:22 GMT -5
"I wouldn't call it original. It's simply inspired, if you will, by the minds which formed the League of Nations in the aftermath of the Great War. Unfortunately, the 'War to end all wars' wasn't at all so. A new war rose, and while I would like to say the Second and Third Wars were the 'wars to end all wars', with a South American terror group running rampant, I'm not so sure. Fortunately, we, the French, fought bravely to ban nuclear weapons so it is impossible for the terror group to get ahold of them. We are also preparing to burn all remains of record of the Manhattan Project." "That is all very well, but the mention of SATO brings me to my doubts on the subject of banning nuclear weapons. Though we may call them 'the wars to end all wars' I fear that we all are aware that this is clearly not the case. We admire your fight to ban nuclear weapons, but I disagree due to one small point: whatever agreement we make here, SATO is not bound by it, and there is the threat that, over time, they may work to develop their own weapons, despite our valiant efforts. The last thing we want is SATO running amok with nuclear weapons, while we are bound, helpless, by a premature agreement. I too agree that it would be disastrous for weapons to fall into the hands of individual nations, and believe a global organization, a partnership between nations involving nuclear research, would be much preferable. I by no means ever want to create another nuclear weapon, and vow to fight against its creation at all costs, however we are loathe to pass a law until every trace of nuclear weapons across the globe are destroyed, and SATO is no more. Even then, I deeply fear the creation of these despicable tools by some other nation or organization. Unfortunately and ironically, we may need to keep the possibility of these horrors to keep these instruments of evil from becoming the destruction of us all." |
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Post by Alex on Nov 30, 2015 19:31:44 GMT -5
Yes, yes. We need to dispose of these horrors but we may also need to keep them in certain cases of evil. However, how would we determine these 'certain cases of evil'?
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Post by President Abha Kawale on Nov 30, 2015 21:51:14 GMT -5
I believe that would be through an Allied Nations vote. If but one of us founders vetos it, the action will not come to pass. I also believe it is the Allied Nations which should also be responsible for conducting all research.
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Post by peter on Nov 30, 2015 22:20:57 GMT -5
"I wouldn't call it original. It's simply inspired, if you will, by the minds which formed the League of Nations in the aftermath of the Great War. Unfortunately, the 'War to end all wars' wasn't at all so. A new war rose, and while I would like to say the Second and Third Wars were the 'wars to end all wars', with a South American terror group running rampant, I'm not so sure. Fortunately, we, the French, fought bravely to ban nuclear weapons so it is impossible for the terror group to get ahold of them. We are also preparing to burn all remains of record of the Manhattan Project." "That is all very well, but the mention of SATO brings me to my doubts on the subject of banning nuclear weapons. Though we may call them 'the wars to end all wars' I fear that we all are aware that this is clearly not the case. We admire your fight to ban nuclear weapons, but I disagree due to one small point: whatever agreement we make here, SATO is not bound by it, and there is the threat that, over time, they may work to develop their own weapons, despite our valiant efforts. The last thing we want is SATO running amok with nuclear weapons, while we are bound, helpless, by a premature agreement. I too agree that it would be disastrous for weapons to fall into the hands of individual nations, and believe a global organization, a partnership between nations involving nuclear research, would be much preferable. I by no means ever want to create another nuclear weapon, and vow to fight against its creation at all costs, however we are loathe to pass a law until every trace of nuclear weapons across the globe are destroyed, and SATO is no more. Even then, I deeply fear the creation of these despicable tools by some other nation or organization. Unfortunately and ironically, we may need to keep the possibility of these horrors to keep these instruments of evil from becoming the destruction of us all." "Sir, SATO is based in a region where even before OpUnthink was an uncivilized, third world region. You are assuming that in your scenario that somehow SATO becomes as advanced as the United States when their Manhattan Project was being undergone. We are faced with a perfect situation: very few sovereign nations exist on this planet. This means it is easy to rally the support of every nation on the planet to impose sanctions, as well as making international AN imposed sanctions, banning imports and exports from their region, forming blockades to crush them on the inside. It would be impossible for SATO to run a nuclear weapons program without our knowledge. In fact, they wouldn't even get past the construction of the Uranium Enrichment Facility, especially if we assured they were getting no fixed income. The point of the Paris Convention was to assure no nation, group, or person ever got that kind of power over the course of humanity again. If the United States happened to be with the Axis Powers, and they achieved nuclear weaponry, the Axis powers would rule this world, and all but their Aryan race would exist on Earth. The rest? Thrown into dirty piles with their family and friends. Destroying all remains of record from ManPro, and banning the research and production of these warheads, as well as AN enforcement of such principle, it will be impossible for these weapons to get in the wrong hands. Thankfully, since we will keep them out of everyone's hands, we don't need to argue the definition of 'wrong hands'." |
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Post by Yu Krane on Nov 30, 2015 22:33:18 GMT -5
I see that France is really trying to promote the convention being held where they want all the conventions to be held, however I do agree with your point about Nuclear weapons falling into wrong hands, but regardless SATO should not be ignored.
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Post by President Abha Kawale on Nov 30, 2015 23:43:26 GMT -5
"That is all very well, but the mention of SATO brings me to my doubts on the subject of banning nuclear weapons. Though we may call them 'the wars to end all wars' I fear that we all are aware that this is clearly not the case. We admire your fight to ban nuclear weapons, but I disagree due to one small point: whatever agreement we make here, SATO is not bound by it, and there is the threat that, over time, they may work to develop their own weapons, despite our valiant efforts. The last thing we want is SATO running amok with nuclear weapons, while we are bound, helpless, by a premature agreement. I too agree that it would be disastrous for weapons to fall into the hands of individual nations, and believe a global organization, a partnership between nations involving nuclear research, would be much preferable. I by no means ever want to create another nuclear weapon, and vow to fight against its creation at all costs, however we are loathe to pass a law until every trace of nuclear weapons across the globe are destroyed, and SATO is no more. Even then, I deeply fear the creation of these despicable tools by some other nation or organization. Unfortunately and ironically, we may need to keep the possibility of these horrors to keep these instruments of evil from becoming the destruction of us all." "Sir, SATO is based in a region where even before OpUnthink was an uncivilized, third world region. You are assuming that in your scenario that somehow SATO becomes as advanced as the United States when their Manhattan Project was being undergone. We are faced with a perfect situation: very few sovereign nations exist on this planet. This means it is easy to rally the support of every nation on the planet to impose sanctions, as well as making international AN imposed sanctions, banning imports and exports from their region, forming blockades to crush them on the inside. It would be impossible for SATO to run a nuclear weapons program without our knowledge. In fact, they wouldn't even get past the construction of the Uranium Enrichment Facility, especially if we assured they were getting no fixed income. The point of the Paris Convention was to assure no nation, group, or person ever got that kind of power over the course of humanity again. If the United States happened to be with the Axis Powers, and they achieved nuclear weaponry, the Axis powers would rule this world, and all but their Aryan race would exist on Earth. The rest? Thrown into dirty piles with their family and friends. Destroying all remains of record from ManPro, and banning the research and production of these warheads, as well as AN enforcement of such principle, it will be impossible for these weapons to get in the wrong hands. Thankfully, since we will keep them out of everyone's hands, we don't need to argue the definition of 'wrong hands'." Thank you for your input. You have convinced me that it is for the best that nuclear weapons be banned. Still, I need your answers and specifications before I sign anything. |
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Post by peter on Dec 2, 2015 21:55:17 GMT -5
[OOC: We've gone a little bit off topic here, reeling it in]
"Now that nuclear weapons specifics have been sorted out, let's get on to the topic of the League of Nations 2.0."
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Post by Alex on Dec 2, 2015 22:50:51 GMT -5
Yes, or the Allied Nations. What will we do for our first vote/referendum?
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Post by President Abha Kawale on Dec 2, 2015 23:35:49 GMT -5
"Establish the organization, I should hope!" The Indian representative faces the group. "I assume we can begin drafting a charter. Before we can vote, we must establish a voting system. I have already proposed the veto policy regarding the founding members. Do you think a 3/4 majority is enough to pass an international law?" He grimaces. "And have any of you the faintest clue where Rosen is?"
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Post by Alex on Dec 3, 2015 18:56:37 GMT -5
"Yes, 3/4 seems well enough. Honestly, I have no idea where Rosen is. Maybe it's a holiday in the NRC?"
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